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aerobat |
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Hello. I have been lurking on this board for a year or two, and thought it was time to join. Last October, I started a Doug Hines stage 2 kit (body and
accessories only, no floor). I have been happily toiling away the last few months and will include updated pictures in future posts. I have included some
pictures of the tear down of my 1978 Continental (if I am successful uploading them). I had never disassembled a car before. Turns out, the front end of the
Lincoln was pretty straightforward as most of it was bolted together. Not so for the top and rear. I enlisted the help of a Sawzall, plasma cutter, and
pictures from this board. On the subject, this board has been a great help to me in planning my project, particularly the information posted by the builders.
Thanks, Eric. Hopefully I can contribute something along the way, too.
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DonC |
The road to Battiness.. | ||
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Welcome to the group of fellow sawzall happy Bat fans Aero:)
Looks like you've started with a very nice clean donor Lincoln.
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66BAT |
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Living in the salt and rust belt as I do, it always pains me to see such a clean Lincoln get chopped up, sure would be a more comfortable ride to work than my
Saturn!
But, if you want a nice batmobile, you need to start with a clean donor car, and that one looks perfect. As you discovered already, the rear quarterpanels, rockers, rood and door pillars are indeed all welded to the car as is the case with most cars. Front clips just unbolt along with trunk and hood and doors, everything else is welded. If you have access to a plasma cutter (as you noted you do) taking all the welded stuff apart is a cake walk, just watch for fire from body sealer, buring paint, and any insulation some luxury cars have tucked into odd corners and such. Undercoating can catch fire, and it goes without saying that the fuel tank should be removed for safety, plus you'll want to have it cleaned and treated inside so you won't have trouble when it's a batmobile out crusing! Lastly, watch for the electrical wires, not only can they catch fire but many people reuse them, so you don't want to accidentally burn through one and not know it---what a headache trying to find that later when you are trying to get the car built and working. Cutting the rear quarters off in one solid chunk "might" make them something you could sell, but I doubt many folks are looking for Lincoln panels unfortunately. Good luck with the build, glad to see somebody else living the dream. |
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Thanks for the welcome. Don, yes the Lincoln donor was in pretty good shape. The fellow I bought it from was going on and on about how everything worked, great interior, etc. I decided not to tell him that most of the car was going to be thrown away! I was pleasantly surprised to see that there was very little corrosion. And 66Bat, you are right about the plasma cutter. It will catch things on fire. My big worry was the fuel tank so I dropped that first. I also found that the plasma cutter didn't help much if you are cutting through multiple layers of sheet metal, such as the roof pillars or low on the rear quarter panels. The sawzall works best there. But the plasma cutter has shown its magic in building, not destroying. No more hack saws. I wave a wand and metal falls away. Great stuff! You mentioned treating the fuel tank; what kind of treatment? I inspected the fuel tank in and out, and it's clean. For the benefit of those who are considering jumping into bat-building, I'll post some more pix of dismantling the Lincoln. It took me a few days, but it was a "fun" kind of work. There's something oddly satisfying about ripping a car apart. The worst part was the windshield. I used a hack saw blade to cut through the tar-like sealant but the glass still broke into thousands of pieces when pried out. And although it's safety glass, it sheds plenty of very sharp pieces. Is there a better way to take out the windshield? The rear window is much easier. I just cut the sheet metal below it and took it off with the rest of the roof.
Exploratory surgery.
Now what's holding it on?!!! Forgot to cut the seat belts.
That's my son and I playing Wilson from the TV show "Home Improvement".
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66Batmobile |
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Welcome to the board!
What is your name (first is fine) and what part of the country are you in? So how many sawzall blades did you go through?
We look foward in watching your progress E |
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66BAT |
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There are different size plasma cutters, each with ability to cut through different levels of metal thickness, so mutliple layers can easily be cut through
with a bigger machine. But another way to get around buying bigger plasma cutters is to try and make sure you angle in such a way so the "blow out"
can actually do just that....cleanly blow out the opposite site of the material. Otherwise it will just blast molten metal in your face and reweld the joint
you just tried to cut.
Also you can angle the torch so it blows back the way you came so that some blows through, some blows backwards and that can reduce the rewelding effect. I have also drilled starter holes and "relief holes" along thicker cuts to aid the plasma cutter when using a smaller unit on a thick cut. There are several gas tank lining materials out there, haven't personally used any in ages so I can't suggest a specific brand, but basically they just get sloshed around in a clean dry tank and then you let them set up before reusing, and it prevents future rust. If you can see inside your tank with a light and it looks really clean already, you probably wouldn't have to bother with that step if you don't want to, just be sure to keep the tank completely full of gas if you store it for longer periods, and add gas stabilizer like "STABIL". Glass windshields are usually cut out, meaning you actually cut through the black gummy sealer. I haven't had to cut one out in probably 20 years now myself so I don't know what the modern glass companies use, but when I was working collision we had essentially piano wire and we would poke it through the gummy sealer, have a guy on the inside and outside of the glass and just saw back and forth all the way around and then take the glass out whole. I'd bet a paycheck there is a tool or something they use these days that works wonders though! Keep posting pics, my dream of building a bat is no longer a very real reality, my last attempt was when Doug was making his first shell for sale, so I am excited to see others get some Hine's kits built!
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02/06/09 1:13 PM.
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CA WOODSIDE |
Cuttin' down the donor | ||
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Welcome to the board Aero'.
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Mark Racop |
Shattered? | ||
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Interesting...we have used the sawzall to cut across the front windshield (about four inches from the dash) on over a dozen Lincolns and haven't seen them
shatter. The rear glass, on the other hand, is another story. ;)
Looking great, Aero! I can tell from the care you're putting in the cuts and reveals of bent metal that you are putting a lot of thought into the how of the work. Keep on rocking, good sir, and welcome aboard! |
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DonC |
I don't remove the glass at all... | ||
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In most cases you don't even have to cut or take the windshield or rear glass out of the Lincoln at all, with selective cutting around the rear clip and
trunk floor and midway through the roof the rear clip with quarter panels comes off in one piece. The front glass and 'A' pillars remain intact if you
cut through the firewall then take that off as a whole..the glass never breaks and it's much quicker and less of a mess too.
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Mark Racop |
Rear glass | ||
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Yep! After the first two, we started cutting the entire roof and rear package tray off as one piece.
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aerobat |
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Eric, my name is Dave and I live in Ohio. Again, thanks for the
welcoming comments. Eric, my name is Dave and I live in Ohio. I live reasonably close to Doug Hines' shop, which is one reason I chose his kit. Doug
also offers a quality product, and is a pleasure to do business with. I went through about 15-20 sawzall blades. After trying several, my favorite was one
called "The Torch" made by Milwaukee. Costs a little more, but lasted the longest and went through about anything. 66Bat, my plasma cutter is on
the small side, a Hypertherm 30. It's advertised to cut up to .25'' steel and severe up to .50", I think. I found out that more isn't
necessarily better when it comes to "turning it up". If the setting is too high, it seems to leave more of the spattered metal sticking to the
underside of the cut.
Eric, is there a way to preview your posting, and then go back and correct something without losing
everything? When I hit the "back" button, I get the "operation timed out screen" and have to start
over!
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66Batmobile |
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Dave- When you reply or add a new thread just hit the "Preview" button first versus the "Post" button. Just remember after you "Previewed" it you will then need to "Post" it otherwise your post will be gone. |
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Amazzen |
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Hey Dave, Welcome aboard!
Those were the good ole days....... you could really see a lot of progress after a hard day's work! The "body lift" approach worked great for me and I can only think of one thing you should watch out for.... be careful with the undercut areas; especially the nose. I purposely made my front bumper (nose reinforcement) detachable in order to lift the shell on/off until I was ready to glue it down. Other than that, it was fairly straight forward. Look forward to watching your progress and wish you the very best with the new project! |
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GeorgeVpr |
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You got a great start. What a nice lift. My lift was made of 2x4's and some trash cans. Looking forward to seeing your progress
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aerobat |
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Nice to meet you at the Barris event, George. The lift has worked out well so far. I live out in the sticks, and don't have a lot of guys I can tap for heavy lifting. I intend to do finish most of my structure before gluing the body down. Then I'll store the bat on the lift in the colder months.
I started out mounting the rear of the body on four posts welded over the rear axle. Locating the body relative to the chassis took some time, but I think
I got it right. My Lincoln rear axle was off center by about 3/4'' to the left.
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hey dave,
nice start on the bat! a little tip- order your wheels now if you want 8x15`s welcome to the club. |
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CA WOODSIDE |
BAT ROAD SHOCK | ||
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As I watched my initial build evolve and then the full blown resto', it occoured to me that there were many areas where raw steel would either loosely
rest against or be directly glassed into the fiberglass body or steel rails that were pretty much just supporting the body at strategic points without being
firmly affixed in place that I was able to discern.
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Mark Racop |
Mounting | ||
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Large steel plates to disperse the load, properly affixed to the car, good welds, and rubber at all contact points to the frame should keep problems from
happening. Of course, we always have to remember that these are fiberglass shells, and we have to accept that fiberglass doesn't cooperate with
the best laid plans of mice (and men).
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aerobat |
Bat road shock | ||
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Interesting question, Chris. I think I can answer part of it. My experience is in aircraft composite construction. Carbon fiber/epoxy is the typical
matrix for aircraft, but the basics should apply to fiberglass/polyester, which I think is what most of our bats are made from. Metal is attached to
composites by either being mechanically fastened (rivets or threaded fasteners) or glued (usually epoxy). The secret to longevity is to keep the stresses low.
If mechanical fasteners are used, cracks will eventually show up in the fastener holes, because the loads are all concentrated in the holes. But using glue
spreads the loads over a much greater area than just the fastener holes, so it will usually last the longest. The 3M epoxy I used on just one 8"x
10" plate will hold 120,000 lbs, which is quite a bit more than the chopped-strand fiberglass is good for. There should never be an issue with the
attach points where the metal is joined to the fiberglass with epoxy, provided the gluing process was correct. And there-in lies the rub; the joint is only as
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aerobat |
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Mark R. gave me some good starting points on mounting my body; he's got the experience! I used the epoxy technique because that's what I'm used
to. However, there are areas of the body where it is impractical to use epoxy, so I will glass those areas.
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Mark Racop |
Radir Wheels | ||
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Radir only produces our beloved wheels about twice a year, so be prepared to wait up to six months for delivery.
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